Episode Transcript
[00:00:09] Welcome to lessons from the helpful dead, where you'll learn the world is not what it seems, and you are much more than you think you are. Here you'll learn about positive and reassuring messages from supposedly dead people whose main purpose is to help us find out what happens after we die, why we're here, how we got here, where we're going, and discover that you are really a powerful eternal spirit. I'm Dan McEnany.
[00:00:38] Today we'll continue our discussion of Marcel Vogel and his experiments with plants. Now, his observations from the experiments that were described in the previous episodes. His observations indicated that there was a kind of a fusion of energies when plant and man commune. And he wondered whether an exceptionally sensitive individual could get into a plant, as was reported by the 16th century german mystic Jacob Bohm, who as a young man described being able to see in another dimension. Bohm said he could look at a growing plant and suddenly, by willing to do so, mingle with that plant, be part of that plant, feel its life struggling toward the light, as he said. He said he was able to share the simple ambitions of the plant and rejoice with a joyously growing leaf. Now, once again, the Seth entity indicated that if our science is ever to make an advance, significant advances, then our scientists would learn.
[00:01:52] They'd have to learn how to join with whatever they were studying rather than slicing it up and analyzing it. So in a very real way, Vogel was testing here with our relatively modern science.
[00:02:10] He was testing the principle that Seth had pointed out. Now, one day, Vogel was visited by a woman named Debbie Sapp. She was a quiet girl who impressed Vogel with her initial ability to enter into instant rapport with his philodendron.
[00:02:33] He knew that because it was established by the instrumentation he had attached to the philodendron. Now, when the plant was entirely calm, he asked Debbie, he said, can you get into that plant? Well, she nodded. Her face took on an attitude of quiet repose, as if she were far away in another universe. Immediately, the recording pencil began to trace a pattern of undulations, revealing to Vogel that the plant was receiving an unusual amount of energy.
[00:03:04] So Debbie later described what happened in writing, and I'll just read it here, Mister Vogel asked me to relax and project myself into the philodendron. Several things took place as I began to carry out his request. First, I wondered exactly how I could get inside a plant. I made a conscious decision to let my imagination take over and found myself entering the main stem through a doorway at its base. Once inside, I saw the moving cells and water traveling upward through the stem and let myself move with this upward flow approaching these spreading leaves. In my imagination, I could feel myself being drawn from an imaginary world into a realm over which I had no control.
[00:03:54] There were no mental pictures, but rather a feeling that I was becoming part of and filling out a broad, expansive surface. This seemed to me to be describable only as pure consciousness.
[00:04:11] I felt acceptance and positive protection by the plant. There was no sense of time, just a feeling of unity in existence and in space. I smiled spontaneously and let myself be one with the plant.
[00:04:26] Then Mister Vogel asked me to relax. When he said this, I realized I was very tired, but peaceful.
[00:04:33] All of my energy had been with the plant.
[00:04:38] Now, Vogel similarly tried this same experiment with other talented people, talents similar to Debbie's there. And he asked them to go into a single leaf and look at the individual cells within the leaf. All of them gave consistent descriptions of various parts of the cellular body, down to the detailed organization of the DNA molecules.
[00:05:06] And so from these experiments, he came to the conclusion that we can move into our individual cells in our own bodies, and depending on the state of mind, we can affect them in various ways.
[00:05:20] One day, he said, this might explain the cause of disease. So he was really referring there to the possibility that we can heal ourselves with our thoughts.
[00:05:32] Something, once again that the entity Seth has articulated. Now with his experiments, Vogel came to the conclusion that children are the most open minded among us humans. And so he began to teach them how to interact with the plants, how to feel a leaf, describe its temperature and its consistency and its texture and detail. And then he had them start to bend leaves and become aware of their resilience before going on to pet the leaves gently by stroking the upper sides. The pupils took some pleasure in these sensations. And when they did, he asked them to take their hands away from the leaves and try to feel a force or energy that would be emanating from the plant. And many of the children instantly described a rippling or tingling sensation.
[00:06:27] Now, he noticed that those children who felt the strongest sensations, they were wholly engrossed in what they were doing. And some of them got to the point where, with the use of both hands, the experimenters, these kids, they could actually get the plant to sway.
[00:06:46] They also learned they could make the plant move while they were further and further away from them. Now, seeing that adults were much less successful, that led Vogel to conclude that many scientists were not going to be able to repeat his or Cleve Baxter's experiments in laboratories. His comments, which I'll read in a moment.
[00:07:11] Once again, Echo Seth's remarks about the need to be able to join with something that's being studied rather than killing it, cutting it up, slicing it, and analyzing its chemical composite composition. So here's what he said. If they approach their experiments in a mechanistic way and don't enter into mutual communication with their plants and treat them as friends, they'll fail. It's essential to have an open mind that eliminates all preconceptions before beginning experiments. Indeed, Vogel was told by one doctor working at the California Psychical Society that he had had not a single result, though he had worked on it for months.
[00:07:55] And now the same is true for one of Denver's most renowned psychoanalysts. Hundreds of laboratory workers around the world, says Vogel, are going to be just as frustrated and disappointed as these men until they appreciate that the empathy between plant and human is the key and they have to learn how to establish it. No amount of checking in laboratories is going to prove a thing until the experiments are done by properly trained observers. Spiritual development is indispensable.
[00:08:29] But this runs counter to the philosophy of many scientists who do not realize that creative experimentation means that the experimenters must become part of their experiments.
[00:08:45] Now, in a comical way, Vogel found out that a person can affect a plant in ways that are not always going to have a happy ending. He asked one of his friends, a skeptical clinical psychologist, to come see for himself if there was any truth to the plant research about projecting a strong emotion to a philodendron 15ft away.
[00:09:09] And when the friend did this, the plant surged into an instantaneous and intense reaction and then suddenly went dead. Now, when Vogel asked his friend what had gone through his mind, the man answered, he had mentally compared Vogel's plant with his own philodendron at home, and he thought how inferior Vogel's plant was to his now the funny part is that the feelings of Vogel's plant were evidently so badly hurt that it had refused to respond for the rest of the day. And in fact, it sulked for almost two weeks.
[00:09:49] So Vogel could not doubt that plants have a definite aversion to certain humans and to what they're thinking. But the most significant thing there is that plants do indeed have emotions and respond accordingly. Here's another interesting story.
[00:10:08] One day Vogel was entertaining a group of skeptical psychologists and medical doctors and computer programs at his house, and he let them look over his equipment for hidden devices and gimmicks, which they insisted must exist. Then he asked them to sit in a circle and talk so as to see what reactions the plant might pick up. For an hour, the group conversed on several topics, but there was hardly any response from the plant. So just as they had all concluded the whole thing was a fake, one of them said, how about sex? Well, to their mutual surprise, the plant came to life, the pen recorder oscillating wildly on the chart. So this led to speculation that talking of sex could stir up in the atmosphere some sort of sexual energy, such as the orgone described by Doctor Wilhelm Reich in his experiments, and that perhaps the ancient fertility rites in which humans had sexual intercourse in freshly seeded fields, there might have been some stimulation of the plants to grow from that ceremony.
[00:11:25] Okay, so we know now that plants are interested in sex. But going beyond conversations, plants apparently can also respond to figments of the imagination. Vogel demonstrated this by having spooky stories told in a darkened room lit only by a red shaded candle. And at certain points in the story, such as phrases such as the door of the mysterious cabin in the forest began slowly to open, or suddenly there appeared around the corner a strange man with a knife in his hand, or Charles bent down and raised the lid of the coffin. When those phrases were read, the plants seemed to pay much closer attention, and he concluded, as you naturally would, that they can indeed measure figments of our imagination that were being converted by energy to the group as a whole. Now, here's another very interesting situation, and a very significant one. Doctor Hal Puthoff, a physicist at the Stanford Research Institute in Palo Alto, who later was also associated with the Monroe Institute. Incidentally, he invited Vogel and five other scientists to witness the effects he was getting by hooking up a chicken egg to an electrocychometer, or an e meter.
[00:12:57] That's something that was developed by L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology. Anyway, the e meter's function is almost identical to that of the psychoanalyzer, which Vogel had first used with his seminar students.
[00:13:10] Now Puthoff attempted. He attempted to demonstrate that the egg wired to the e meter would respond when another egg was broken. He broke three separate eggs, but nothing happened.
[00:13:25] After asking puthoff if he could try, Volcom put his hand over an egg and related to it exactly as he had learned to relate to his plants when he joined with them. In 1 minute, the needle on the e meter's galvanometer dial began to move and finally pinned. Vogel backed 10ft away and got gyrations from the needle by opening and closing his hands.
[00:13:50] Though Puthoff and several others present tried to do the same thing and they all failed. Now, in this case, the needle's movement, which was thought to be affected by resistance on the skin of humans attached to electrodes. It's known as galvanic skin response.
[00:14:07] But since plants have no skin, they changed the situation or the realization of what was happening. They changed it to psychogalvanic response, or PGR.
[00:14:22] So, in a plant, PGR, Vogel said, it exists not only in plants, but all living forms.
[00:14:29] The directive action of the mind focuses this energy, and on command, releases the force in a series of pulses, which can pass through glass, metals, and other materials. But no one yet knows exactly what they are. However, Ingo Swan, a well known out of body person who could expand his consciousness and take it places.
[00:14:58] He demonstrated this with the techniques he learned in Scientology.
[00:15:06] With nothing but his willpower, Ingo Swann could affect a mechanism in the university's most. This was the University of Stanford, the university's most thoroughly shielded quark chamber, buried deep underground in a vault of liquid helium.
[00:15:25] Now, this was impenetrable to any known wavelength of the electromagnetic spectrum, but the scientists were all astonished when they watched him perform what they considered to be an impossible feat. With nothing but his will power and his mind, he was able to effect the object in the chamber.
[00:15:53] Now, that gives you some idea of the importance of thought, something that the entity Seth has emphasized a number of times.
[00:16:04] Focused thought, Vogel said, can exert a tremendous effect on the body of a person in a higher mental state. And once again, I'll remind you that the sethanity has said we're all focus mechanisms. We are, with our consciousness focusing on a reality as part of a much bigger entity. And that entity is what we really are.
[00:16:29] So we are all you might remember, according to Seth focused personalities. Well, in conclusion, now, Vogel believed that his research with plants can help man to come to a recognition of long ignored truths.
[00:16:47] He said this, he said, they can thus learn the art of loving and know truly that when they think of thought, they release a tremendous power or force in space.
[00:17:00] By knowing that they are their thoughts, they will know how to use thinking to achieve spiritual, emotional, and intellectual growth. And once again, we can refer to some of Seth's statements that are simplest thoughts can cause flowers to grow in another reality. Well, that concludes today's session. And once again, I'm Dan McEnany, bringing you lessons from the helpful dead.
