Episode Transcript
[00:00:09] Welcome to lessons from the helpful dead, where you learn the world is not what it seems, and you are much more than you think you are. Here you learn about positive and reassuring messages from supposedly dead people whose main purpose is to help us find out what happens after we die, why we're here, how we got here, where we're going, and discover that you are really a powerful eternal spirit. I'm Dan McEnany.
[00:00:35] It has been a number of weeks since our last episode, and a lot of that has to do with projects I had to finish around the house, but it also gave me a chance to reflect on what we've covered so far. If you've listened to the episodes starting with number one and gone through a number of them, you have indeed come to understand all of the things that are mentioned in the introduction, where I welcome you and tell you that you'll be able to find out what happens before and after we're here, why we're here, and where we're going. But I've also learned from feedback that a lot of the material has gotten too complex, too deep for a lot of people, and that's quite understandable. A lot of very smart people have told me that. So it's wise for me to listen, and I decided what I'll do in this session. I'm going to continue on with what I covered in the previous section, and it has to do with the fact that the more our science goes forward and advances, the further we get from basic reality. But after this session, I'm going to lighten it up, and I'm going to show, in a number of easy to understand examples just how far science has gotten away from reality in one very important field, and that's the field of agriculture. And I'm going to do that by citing a number of very interesting examples from the best selling 1972 book, the Secret Life of Plants. I think these examples will give you an interesting, easy to understand framework for just how far we, with our science, can go astray from basic reality. For today, though, I will continue with Seth's information about how and why we get further from basic reality as our science advances.
[00:03:00] Here's what he had to say.
[00:03:02] Ultimately, your use of instruments and your preoccupation with them as tools to study the greater nature of reality will teach you one important lesson. The instruments are useful only in measuring the level of reality in which they themselves exist.
[00:03:21] They help you interpret the universe in horizontal terms, so to speak. In studying the deeper realities within and behind that universe. The instruments are not only useless but misleading. I'm not suggesting their use is futile, however, merely pointing out that there are limitations inherently involved.
[00:03:43] So called objective science gives you a picture, a model that has served well enough in its own fashion, enabling you to travel to the moon, for example, and to advance in a technology that, for a time, you set your hearts upon.
[00:03:59] In the framework of objective science as it now exists, however, even the technology will come up against a stone wall, even as a means. Objective science is only helpful for a while, because it will constantly run up against deeper inner realities that are necessarily shunted aside and ignored simply because of its method and attitude.
[00:04:27] No objective science or splendid technology alone will keep even one man or woman alive, for example, if that individual has decided to leave the flesh or finds no joy in daily life.
[00:04:41] Now, for most of us, those words are quite surprising and somewhat disturbing. We all like to think that as technology progresses, that we're getting closer to something that's good, or at least better than what we have. But this is saying it's simply not so.
[00:05:00] You might recall in previous episodes that Seth has mentioned that our scientists seem to think that to understand the nature of something, we have to separate ourselves from it in order to understand it. And of course, he's saying just the opposite. Let's continue with some of his words. Here he talks in contrast about a loving technology.
[00:05:25] Here's what he says. A loving technology, again, would always add to the qualitative and spiritual deepening of experience.
[00:05:34] The inner order of existence and true science go together.
[00:05:40] The true scientist is not afraid of identifying with the reality he chooses to study.
[00:05:47] He knows then, only then, can he dare to begin to understand its nature.
[00:05:53] There are many unofficial scientists, true ones, in that regard.
[00:05:59] Many are quite ordinary people in exterior terms with other professions. Yet it's no accident that the greater discoveries are often made by amateurs, those who are relatively free from official dogmas, released from the pressure to get ahead in a given field, those whose creativity flows freely and naturally in those areas of their natural interest.
[00:06:28] I should point out here that many of the examples that I'm going to give from the book I mentioned tend to support that statement. His next words relate to that. Here they are. Without an identification with the land, the planet, and the seasons, all of your technology will not help you understand the earth, or even use it effectively, much less fully. Without an identification with the race as a whole, no technology can save the race.
[00:07:00] Unless man also identifies himself with other kinds of life with which he shares the world. No technology will ever help him understand his experience.
[00:07:11] I'm speaking in very practical terms.
[00:07:14] Gadgets will ultimately teach you nothing about the dimensions of your own consciousness when you use them.
[00:07:22] Biofeedback, for instance. Even to attain alterations of consciousness, you're programming yourselves, stepping apart from yourselves.
[00:07:32] Such gadgets can be useful only if they show you that such alterations are naturally possible. Otherwise, with your ideas of applied science and technology, the gadgets will be the pivoting point, and the ideas of manipulation will be stressed. In other words, unless the ideas behind the objective science are altered, then gadget produced altered states will almost certainly be used to manipulate rather than free consciousness.
[00:08:03] He then goes on to talk about some past civilizations.
[00:08:08] Here's what he says. I'm not making a prediction here. I'm simply pointing out one probability that exists. There have indeed been civilizations upon your planet that understood as well as you. And without your kind of technology, the workings of the planets, the positioning of stars, people who even foresaw later global changes, they used a mental physics.
[00:08:35] There were men before you who journeyed to the moon and who brought back quite scientific data, and it was quite pertinent. There were those who understood the origin of your solar system far better than you. Some of these civilizations did not need spaceships. Instead, highly trained men, combining the abilities of dream art scientists and mental physicists, cooperated in journeys not only through time, but through space. There are ancient maps drawn from a 200 miles or so vantage point, these meticulously completed on return from such journeys. Now, that's interesting, because in past episodes, we talked about Bob Monroe's explorers and Bob's own journeys, as well as Joe McMonigal's, where these otherwise ordinary people journeyed through time and space. And they came to understand, for example, that they might visit a planet in one given time period which seemed barren. But had they visited it in another time period which existed at the same time, it would have been a thriving planet. Seth gives more details on that as follows. Here's what he says. There were sketches of atoms and molecules also drawn after trained men and women learned the art of identifying with such phenomena. Again, identifying with, not separating from. He goes on, there are significances hidden in the archives of many archaeological stores that are not recognized by you because you have not made the proper connections, and in some cases, you've not advanced sufficiently to understand the information.
[00:10:26] The particular thrust and direction of your own science have been directly opposed to the development of such inner sciences, however, so that to some extent, each step in the one direction has thus far taken you further from the other.
[00:10:44] Yet all sciences are based on the desire for knowledge. And so there are intersections that occur even in the most diverse of paths. And you are at such an intersection.
[00:11:00] Your own science has led you to its logical conclusion. It's not enough. And some suspect that its methods and attitudes have a built in disadvantage. Physicists are going beyond themselves, so to speak, where even their own instruments cannot follow and where all rules do not apply.
[00:11:19] Even the prophet Einstein to did not lead them far enough. You cannot stand apart from a reality and do any more than present diagrams of it.
[00:11:29] You will not understand its living heart or its nature.
[00:11:34] The behavior of electrons, for example, will elude your technological knowledge. For in deepest terms, what you will perceive will be a facade and appearance or an illusion. So far, within the rules of the game, you've been able to make your facts about electrons work.
[00:11:53] To follow. Their multidimensional activity, however, is another matter.
[00:11:59] And you need, if you will forgive me, a speedier means.
[00:12:03] The blueprints for reality lie even beneath the electron's activity. As long as you think in terms of subatomic particles, you're basically off the track. Or even when you think in terms of waves, the idea of interrelated fields comes closer, of course. Yet even here, you're simply changing one kind of term for one like it, only slightly different.
[00:12:29] In all of these cases, you are ignoring the reality of consciousness and its gestalt formations and manifestations.
[00:12:40] Until you perceive the innate consciousness behind any visible or invisible manifestations. Then you put a definite barrier to your own knowledge. Okay, we'll stop there. Seth was very emphatic about these controversial notions. And as I mentioned in subsequent episodes, you'll learn about a lot of carefully researched scientific and not so scientific examples that make the point. Once again, I'm Dan McInenny, bringing you lessons from the helpful dead.
